2026: the job I studied for still exists, but I don’t know how to do it because I outsourced my learning to an LLM, and keep getting let go during probationary employment periods
graphic designers have been out of work for almost 18 years. the job market was flooded by mediocre no talent hack designers. this drastically dropped the annual salary to basic minimum wage.
now, those same “improved” mediocre designers are losing their jobs to AI.
if the guy can’t read the writing on the walls, he won’t learn until it blows up in his face.
It was good while it lasted though. I got a little taste of those heady days of yore. Oh, the headers we saw. The logos, the banners. Dare I say it: the featured carousel images. 🥲
Lol except AI is stealing far fewer jobs than people said it would. Because they were liars. Because it’s a bubble that’s collapsing. And technology has always changed, jobs come and go.
Yea hot take here but if u “lost ur job” to ai it wasn’t much of a job to begin with, it’s used as an excuse to downsize sure but it’s not replacing any real valuable positions.
Get to know your shit. I’ve lost my career due to AI and let me tell you how it went, because I was pretty fucking good at it.
It’s virtually impossible to get a new job. I’m a senior fullstack architect with typescript and I used to be a main developer under large military R&D project that I delivered fully. The company collapsed because politics.
Then, after like 6 months of searching, I landed a new leadership role at a fresh Fuel blockchain startup, once again - I was building a pretty serious perpetual futures trading app. All went well until the company collapsed due to lack of funding, 6 months after I joined.
The market was extremely bad before I got the blockchain project. The market is beyond broken right now. I just know I’m underwater and I’m not getting back up from here even though I’m well aware I’m very much competent.
I may be able to ace at most interviews, but I’m not getting visibility in this absolute shitstorm of other candidates fired because of the AI. And even if I do get an interview, there’s always someone who’s gonna beat my aced interview with an ever more aced interview.
I’m either building my very own company from scratch or I’m buying a tractor.
So I don’t mean to be rude, and I am sorry to hear about your struggles in the job market, but how exactly did you loose ur job to ai? In ur second paragraph you even said it was politics that collapsed the company. In third you said lack of funding. I feel like a lot of this is because the economy is shit as a whole, how exactly has AI taken your job? Any competent senior full stack surely couldn’t be replaced by co pilot? Not that I’m educated on the topic.
I haven’t lost my job, I’ve lost my career. Not being able to continue working due to lack of jobs is staggering, because I have to make a living one way or another.
I’ve also completely lost my trust in this profession, because even if I manage to get back up on my feet, how much time will pass and will I still remember all my techniques that allowed me to stand out?
And how much longer until the next crisis if the entire tech industry’s C-level showed to be extremely excited about the idea of getting rid of me by any means necessary?
Right but how exactly did AI make that happen? The execs are always trying to shitcan workers as they are the most valuable but also most expensive assets of any company. But you gave me 2 examples of NOT ai making you loose your job and have yet to explain how AI has screwed you. I understand it helps to be mad at something, just haven’t heard how you lost ur job due to AI specifically. The job market and economy as a whole is in the shitter right now and I don’t think it’s AI’s fault, in fact the investment in AI is the only think that’s making our economy LOOK less shit than it is, granted it’s incredibly inflated and bound to collapse at any moment.
You seem to be focused on the perspective that to lose experts to AI means that the AI may literally outperform people and thus lead to them getting fired.
What I’m trying to say is that it’s not the only way a man can get expunged from the industry.
AI made it blatantly obvious that the C-level is extremely hostile and threatening to anyone beneath them. That if you fire enough people you will create a whilpool that will expand and start devouring even the most capable professionals. That efficiency befenits are only for the higherups, your expected performance will extend without any benefit.
The advent of AI didn’t generate these issues, but it augmented them far beyond human limits.
Everybody here keeps assuming LLMs will go away when the bubble pops. Definitely not. They’re still going to be a big part of the world, like it or not.
But yes, generally speaking, people who didn’t brain rot and cheat through school are probably more valuable to have as employees. Although llms can be good learning aids if used not dumbly
As someone how had to work simple office jobs his half life, I welcome you to the jungle.
Oh wait you’re overqualified, good luck with unemployment benefits.
I’m sorry you’re not paid to think, you’re paid to hit enter when the LLM wants to do something sketchy and take the blame when it blows up in our face.
I am paid to think. I think I do have some luck with my current job. Registration of incoming goods/samples for a testing lab. When robots will be able to do this, no one will have a job left.
And if AI makes your job 20% more efficient by doing the mindless grunt work every job has, 20% of the workforce will lose their jobs.
AI doesn’t need to do all of your job to cause job loss.
Even if we ignore the scifi horror of outsourcing our collective intelligence to an AI and assume such a hypothetical AI can solve every problem and essentially do every job for us, it would need to build a society where working for an income is no longer required, which is absolutely not what’s happening lol.
Leather jacket Huang and Scam Altman just want to make morbillion dollars in a race to become the first trillionaire. They don’t or refuse to recognize the long term effects of destroying the very fabric that makes their businesses profitable just like every other investment gamble has. If no one has a job, they don’t have money to spend on product and services from your businesses, or your business clients’ businesses.
True, and I don’t see how we make that leap. Nobody is going to give that type of tech and investment over to humanity for free.
(also, I thought Musk had already hit 1 trillion, but not quite yet. The high end of his estimated net worth is 988 billion, so give it a month or two.)
and then when it cannot do what people want it to do they will either hire people who can and/or people will leave and stop purchasing the companies products
this place is literally an example of people moving away from a product (reddit) because it doesn’t do what they wanted to do
apparently in your universe everyone sticks with the original product until the end of time no matter how bad it gets
which is surprising we’re not still all on irc and posting on vbuliten forums
The two are not contradictory positions: the problem with AI is societal - all the jobs being given over to it is a problem that’s only compounded by the larger issue of people fundementally not understanding the sharp limitations of AI, and how it cannot actually be used to replace most jobs.
You think we live in a completely rational society that operates off market fundamentals like “supply and demand”? That is like planning a road trip assuming you’ll drive on a frictionless flat plane in a vacuum.
If supply and demand were truly adhered to, Boeing airplanes would be out of business after their doors falling off mid flight became widely knwon. Tesla would be out of business since their cars break when going into a carwash. Several banks would be out of business after gambling on housing speculation.
The idea that we live in a self regulating society that operates off The Invisible Hand is pure fantasy. Capitalism picks winners and losers all the time while making excuses swallowed by rubes like you.
If we lived in a society that made rational decisions you would be 100% right. Also, everything wouldn’t be all “this is fine” right now, most of the world’s problems would be getting solved and I wouldn’t be screaming and screaming and screaming into the void.
It’s useful enough to fire huge chunks of the workforce and then make the leftovers carry the extra load, but corpos been doing that way before LLMs. Now they just have a plausible excuse
Anyone who says the first is lying to you. LLMs are actually incredibly useful tool in the tasks they were initially designed for like machine translation, natural sounding text-to-speech and accurate speech-to-text.
In trying to generate hype (or more rather revenue), the companies responsible for these models have been throwing LLMs into all sorts of functions they just weren’t designed for - often to haphazard results.
It’s like asking a really well-trained parrot to fact-check for you, code for you, write stories to you. It knows what these things look like, so can make really convincing copies and mash-ups that look right on first read - but it can’t iterate and make new things because it doesn’t actually know what training data it has is fact/fiction, it doesn’t know what code actually does, and it has no idea what a cohesive story is.
The problem is that executives and shareholders are only aware of what’s being hyped up about LLMs, and not of the technical limitations underneath that make them rather unreliable compared to specialised neural networks or just plain trained professionals.
So it is simultaneously robbing people of their jobs because of hype, while doing an absolutely terrible job of it because it is fundamentally limited in what it can replace.
New being unfamiliar. LLMs can’t just abstractly create things they don’t have training data for the same way a human can. They’re parrots that rely on training data to “create” anything, and that’s why I said they’re good at creating copies and mash-ups.
A good example is DALI being famously unable to depict an empty glass of wine because its training data didn’t have one.
OpenAI had to feed it training data of empty wine glasses to undo that.
That need for base data to make literally anything is the whole reason why AI companies have been scraping the ever living shit out of the internet, to give as much training data to mash-up as is possible.
The more data it has, the more convincingly unique its output can be.
Iterate was a poor word to use, but you’ll have to chalk that up to me being a fallible human.
What I mean is that it can’t extrapolate from training data to make something unique. Everything it makes you will always be cobbled together from the data it has, because LLMs only know what things look like, not what they are as concepts.
Hell you want to see AI not understanding what good code actually is - look at MicroSlop’s Windows 11, where damn near every update has a crippling bug in it that could’ve been avoided
Ask some image generator to make an image of a undarbinian alien, which are super aggressive. I made that up and Google shows no result.
Create an image of a beaver-axolotl-bird. I am sure there exists no such picture on the web. It will make it up. I could not make both of these things up or somehow imagine them. You could also ask an LLM to generate these examples in the first place. Is that not “something new”? Not unique? Define these words then. These systems being unable to do some specific detail does not mean they can’t do anything to begin with. No human can do everything, that is completely disconnected from everything we are discussing.
Also, Windows, pre LLM it was bug free and nobody complained?
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AI gonna go on unemployment and take all the benefits from the rest of us
That already happens, doge used LLMs to decide which programs to cut.
lol america
2026: the job I studied for still exists, but I don’t know how to do it because I outsourced my learning to an LLM, and keep getting let go during probationary employment periods
Had a guy tell me today that he’s becoming a graphic designer to change paths and I just didn’t have the heart to tell him.
graphic designers have been out of work for almost 18 years. the job market was flooded by mediocre no talent hack designers. this drastically dropped the annual salary to basic minimum wage.
now, those same “improved” mediocre designers are losing their jobs to AI.
if the guy can’t read the writing on the walls, he won’t learn until it blows up in his face.
I partied and hung out with about half the Graphic Design/ Digital Animation majors in college. I know exactly 0 who work in the field right now.
It was good while it lasted though. I got a little taste of those heady days of yore. Oh, the headers we saw. The logos, the banners. Dare I say it: the featured carousel images. 🥲
Lol except AI is stealing far fewer jobs than people said it would. Because they were liars. Because it’s a bubble that’s collapsing. And technology has always changed, jobs come and go.
It’s becoming an excuse for mass layoffs, when the end result isn’t more productivity but lower quality.
Yea hot take here but if u “lost ur job” to ai it wasn’t much of a job to begin with, it’s used as an excuse to downsize sure but it’s not replacing any real valuable positions.
Get to know your shit. I’ve lost my career due to AI and let me tell you how it went, because I was pretty fucking good at it.
It’s virtually impossible to get a new job. I’m a senior fullstack architect with typescript and I used to be a main developer under large military R&D project that I delivered fully. The company collapsed because politics.
Then, after like 6 months of searching, I landed a new leadership role at a fresh Fuel blockchain startup, once again - I was building a pretty serious perpetual futures trading app. All went well until the company collapsed due to lack of funding, 6 months after I joined.
The market was extremely bad before I got the blockchain project. The market is beyond broken right now. I just know I’m underwater and I’m not getting back up from here even though I’m well aware I’m very much competent.
I may be able to ace at most interviews, but I’m not getting visibility in this absolute shitstorm of other candidates fired because of the AI. And even if I do get an interview, there’s always someone who’s gonna beat my aced interview with an ever more aced interview.
I’m either building my very own company from scratch or I’m buying a tractor.
So I don’t mean to be rude, and I am sorry to hear about your struggles in the job market, but how exactly did you loose ur job to ai? In ur second paragraph you even said it was politics that collapsed the company. In third you said lack of funding. I feel like a lot of this is because the economy is shit as a whole, how exactly has AI taken your job? Any competent senior full stack surely couldn’t be replaced by co pilot? Not that I’m educated on the topic.
I haven’t lost my job, I’ve lost my career. Not being able to continue working due to lack of jobs is staggering, because I have to make a living one way or another.
I’ve also completely lost my trust in this profession, because even if I manage to get back up on my feet, how much time will pass and will I still remember all my techniques that allowed me to stand out?
And how much longer until the next crisis if the entire tech industry’s C-level showed to be extremely excited about the idea of getting rid of me by any means necessary?
Right but how exactly did AI make that happen? The execs are always trying to shitcan workers as they are the most valuable but also most expensive assets of any company. But you gave me 2 examples of NOT ai making you loose your job and have yet to explain how AI has screwed you. I understand it helps to be mad at something, just haven’t heard how you lost ur job due to AI specifically. The job market and economy as a whole is in the shitter right now and I don’t think it’s AI’s fault, in fact the investment in AI is the only think that’s making our economy LOOK less shit than it is, granted it’s incredibly inflated and bound to collapse at any moment.
You seem to be focused on the perspective that to lose experts to AI means that the AI may literally outperform people and thus lead to them getting fired.
What I’m trying to say is that it’s not the only way a man can get expunged from the industry.
AI made it blatantly obvious that the C-level is extremely hostile and threatening to anyone beneath them. That if you fire enough people you will create a whilpool that will expand and start devouring even the most capable professionals. That efficiency befenits are only for the higherups, your expected performance will extend without any benefit.
The advent of AI didn’t generate these issues, but it augmented them far beyond human limits.
*renting a tractor
*dreaming idly about renting a tractor
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The job I do exists more than ever, no recruiter believes me because the only thing they look for is if you had “AI” in the title of your previous job
2016: im at the top art/design school on earth, studying the beauty of all things! Certainly, I will have a future!
Also 2016: LLMs are now a thing. Maybe study us?
Me: p’shaw
2026: LLMs: BOW,SLAVE!
Me: but, what about the beauty of all things?
LLM: this reproduction Eames Group Management Chair is on sale from Manhattan Home Design for $3200 in orange, cream, and black
Me: kill me
LLM: why kill yourself when you could just as easily kill an entire school full of children?
Me: 😮
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Me thinks students who didn’t use LLMs in school will be more valuable than gold after the bubble pops
Everybody here keeps assuming LLMs will go away when the bubble pops. Definitely not. They’re still going to be a big part of the world, like it or not.
But yes, generally speaking, people who didn’t brain rot and cheat through school are probably more valuable to have as employees. Although llms can be good learning aids if used not dumbly
Welcome to crapitalism
As someone how had to work simple office jobs his half life, I welcome you to the jungle. Oh wait you’re overqualified, good luck with unemployment benefits.
I’m sorry you’re not paid to think, you’re paid to hit enter when the LLM wants to do something sketchy and take the blame when it blows up in our face.
I am paid to think. I think I do have some luck with my current job. Registration of incoming goods/samples for a testing lab. When robots will be able to do this, no one will have a job left.
Robots need not necessarily be able to do your job to replace you unfortunately
? As long as people eat the lab will get samples
I think the point was that AI can’t develop software either but it’s still taking developer jobs.
And if AI makes your job 20% more efficient by doing the mindless grunt work every job has, 20% of the workforce will lose their jobs.
AI doesn’t need to do all of your job to cause job loss.
2022: haha look this thing is writing greentexts about bottomless pits!
2026: the job i am studying for is now essentially a gacha game
Even if we ignore the scifi horror of outsourcing our collective intelligence to an AI and assume such a hypothetical AI can solve every problem and essentially do every job for us, it would need to build a society where working for an income is no longer required, which is absolutely not what’s happening lol.
Leather jacket Huang and Scam Altman just want to make morbillion dollars in a race to become the first trillionaire. They don’t or refuse to recognize the long term effects of destroying the very fabric that makes their businesses profitable just like every other investment gamble has. If no one has a job, they don’t have money to spend on product and services from your businesses, or your business clients’ businesses.
Alas, line must go up.
True, and I don’t see how we make that leap. Nobody is going to give that type of tech and investment over to humanity for free.
(also, I thought Musk had already hit 1 trillion, but not quite yet. The high end of his estimated net worth is 988 billion, so give it a month or two.)
You weren’t capable of it either way.
we need a planned economy
Lemmy: AI is useless, literally useless, it provides no value
Also Lemmy: It’s going to take all our jobs and we’ll have literally nothing to do because AI will do everything!!!!!111
They don’t have to make an LLM that can actually do your job to get you fired, they just have to convince your boss that it can.
and then when it cannot do what people want it to do they will either hire people who can and/or people will leave and stop purchasing the companies products
this place is literally an example of people moving away from a product (reddit) because it doesn’t do what they wanted to do
apparently in your universe everyone sticks with the original product until the end of time no matter how bad it gets
which is surprising we’re not still all on irc and posting on vbuliten forums
Are you replying to a different comment by mistake?
The two are not contradictory positions: the problem with AI is societal - all the jobs being given over to it is a problem that’s only compounded by the larger issue of people fundementally not understanding the sharp limitations of AI, and how it cannot actually be used to replace most jobs.
if ai is not capable of doing the job people will be hired who can do the job! feel free to read up on supply and demand
You think we live in a completely rational society that operates off market fundamentals like “supply and demand”? That is like planning a road trip assuming you’ll drive on a frictionless flat plane in a vacuum.
If supply and demand were truly adhered to, Boeing airplanes would be out of business after their doors falling off mid flight became widely knwon. Tesla would be out of business since their cars break when going into a carwash. Several banks would be out of business after gambling on housing speculation.
The idea that we live in a self regulating society that operates off The Invisible Hand is pure fantasy. Capitalism picks winners and losers all the time while making excuses swallowed by rubes like you.
If we lived in a society that made rational decisions you would be 100% right. Also, everything wouldn’t be all “this is fine” right now, most of the world’s problems would be getting solved and I wouldn’t be screaming and screaming and screaming into the void.
It’s useful enough to fire huge chunks of the workforce and then make the leftovers carry the extra load, but corpos been doing that way before LLMs. Now they just have a plausible excuse
It’s almost as if Lemmy isn’t a homogenous entity with a single viewpoint… Wow! Who would’ve thought?
yeah it’s crazy, sometimes I even see people arguing for both points at the same time
Anyone who says the first is lying to you. LLMs are actually incredibly useful tool in the tasks they were initially designed for like machine translation, natural sounding text-to-speech and accurate speech-to-text.
In trying to generate hype (or more rather revenue), the companies responsible for these models have been throwing LLMs into all sorts of functions they just weren’t designed for - often to haphazard results.
It’s like asking a really well-trained parrot to fact-check for you, code for you, write stories to you. It knows what these things look like, so can make really convincing copies and mash-ups that look right on first read - but it can’t iterate and make new things because it doesn’t actually know what training data it has is fact/fiction, it doesn’t know what code actually does, and it has no idea what a cohesive story is.
The problem is that executives and shareholders are only aware of what’s being hyped up about LLMs, and not of the technical limitations underneath that make them rather unreliable compared to specialised neural networks or just plain trained professionals.
So it is simultaneously robbing people of their jobs because of hype, while doing an absolutely terrible job of it because it is fundamentally limited in what it can replace.
You say LLMs can’t make new things? Define new please, as this is so easy to disprove I can only assume you mean something extremely specific.
It can’t iterate? Have you never coded with am LLM?
New being unfamiliar. LLMs can’t just abstractly create things they don’t have training data for the same way a human can. They’re parrots that rely on training data to “create” anything, and that’s why I said they’re good at creating copies and mash-ups.
A good example is DALI being famously unable to depict an empty glass of wine because its training data didn’t have one. OpenAI had to feed it training data of empty wine glasses to undo that.
That need for base data to make literally anything is the whole reason why AI companies have been scraping the ever living shit out of the internet, to give as much training data to mash-up as is possible. The more data it has, the more convincingly unique its output can be.
Iterate was a poor word to use, but you’ll have to chalk that up to me being a fallible human. What I mean is that it can’t extrapolate from training data to make something unique. Everything it makes you will always be cobbled together from the data it has, because LLMs only know what things look like, not what they are as concepts.
Hell you want to see AI not understanding what good code actually is - look at MicroSlop’s Windows 11, where damn near every update has a crippling bug in it that could’ve been avoided
Ask some image generator to make an image of a undarbinian alien, which are super aggressive. I made that up and Google shows no result. Create an image of a beaver-axolotl-bird. I am sure there exists no such picture on the web. It will make it up. I could not make both of these things up or somehow imagine them. You could also ask an LLM to generate these examples in the first place. Is that not “something new”? Not unique? Define these words then. These systems being unable to do some specific detail does not mean they can’t do anything to begin with. No human can do everything, that is completely disconnected from everything we are discussing.
Also, Windows, pre LLM it was bug free and nobody complained?
I bet even an llm could haven given a better overview of the discussion around ai on lemmy